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How to Retro Fit Satellite Navigation (Sat Nav) into a Facelift Vauxhall Omega

Discussion in 'Omega How to and FAQ's' started by NickA, Jan 13, 2006.

  1. NickA

    NickA Member

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    This is for factory fitted Sat Nav, as fitted to the top of the range Omega Elites, not the after marker units.

    Ok, what do we need? First of all this “How To” is for facelift Omega’s, that is Omega’s with the double DIN stereo unit, built after 2000. The Omega will also need to be equipped with the Check Control/On Board Computer with the MID display, which thankfully is most of them.

    You will need:
    A replacement Head Unit e.g. a Siemens NCDC 2013 or NCDC 2015
    A compatible screen either a Graphics Information Device (GID) or a Colour Information Device (CID)
    A Sat Nav Aerial
    Some extra wire and connectors.

    By far the easiest method of acquiring the above, and the method I used, was to visit a breakers year and remove everything from a donor vehicle. I got all of mine from a 2002 Omega Elite. I also stripped out the Sat Nav aerial, the loom behind the dash and the BOSE audio amplifier and rear speakers.

    The other method is www.eBay.co.uk . Don’t forget to also check www.eBay.de as the Omega is very popular in Germany with Sat Nav parts more frequently found on the German site. It’s always worth checking with the seller before placing a bid that they are happy to ship to the UK.

    One important thing to note is that the screens and unit are coded to each other, and as far as I’m aware they cannot be decoded once they have been separated from each other. If anyone knows different then please let me know. So you need to get a screen and head unit from the same car, or a screen and head unit from different cars that have been de-coded with Tech2 prior to removal from the donor cars, or brand new screen and head unit that have never been fitted and are still in delivery mode.

    Once fitted, with the exception of screens and head units that came from the same car then they will need marrying together with Tech2 before they can be fully used.

    First job is to remove the old head unit and info display. I bought a set of double DIN removal keys here which made the job much easier
    http://www.siocommunications.co.uk/Shopping/view_product.php?product=PC5-110

    It’s then necessary to remove ashtray, the radio/air conditioning controls surround and the black plastic part that holds the radio cage in place so you can get at the connector at the back of the cage. I couldn’t get all the connector to separate from the switches on the radio surround, so I just disconnected the ones I could and then moved the trim to one side. You don’t need to remove the cage from the black trim. Behind the radio cage/black trim you will find a blue connector which has 3 main areas, an 8 way connector which is for power/ earth etc, another 8 way connector for the speakers and a 36 way connector. The wiring for the 2 x 8 way connectors is exactly the same and can be left alone, but you’ll need to add a few wires from the 36 way connector up to the new display.

    The instrument cluster also needs removing to give access to connector for the Multi Information Display (MID). This has a 32 way connector and should be grey in colour.

    To wire a GID in place of the supplied MID you need disconnect from the 32 way connector Pins 9,10,11. Don’t cut them as two of these wires are useful if you want to connect a CID.

    Then add the following connections

    Head unit connector GID/CID
    Pin 29 From Reverse Lights Black/White
    Pin 25 to GID/CID White Pin 11
    Pin 26 To Earth Brown
    Pin 32 to GID/CID Green Pin 10
    Pin 33 to GID/CID White Pin 11
    To Earth Brown Pin 32

    The grey connector at the back of the MID display can be dismantled by cutting the cable tie and then pressing in the tabs at the bottom of the connector. The cover then slides off to give access to the connections.

    To wire the CID you need an extra connector. This is a separate 12 way connector, which you will need to source. Again eBay’s a favourite, try searching for “Stecker” which is German for Connector. I’ve seen a few people selling both 32 way connecters and the additional 12 way connector for the CID on eBay.de. Apparently a Vectra CD-Changer-cable P/N 9196108 has the correct connector and can be used but I’ve not tried that.

    The extra CID connector wires as follows:

    36 way head unit connector 12 Way CID Connector

    Pin 17 Pin 2
    Pin 18 was 32 way pin 9 Pin 1
    Pin 19 was 32 way pin 10 Pin 5
    Pin 24 Pin 3
    Pin 30 Pin 4
    Pin 31 Pin 6


    Then it’s a case of connecting a Sat Nav Aerial, re-assembling everything and having your local Vauxhall dealer Tech2 the screen and head unit to each other if required.

    What I don’t know:

    Can a head unit or screen be decoded once separated from the other unit?
    Were all the NCDC Sat Nav units supplied with Bose audio and will they work without the amp?
    Can a coded pair of head unit/screen be decoded from each other after fitting in a different car?
    Is the Sat Nav Aerial connector on the back of the NCDC a Vauxhall specific connector?

    Part No’s (useful for searching eBay)

    CID 24459629 Ident KJ Superceded By 24439378
    GID 24435386 Ident JA

    Any comments, suggestions etc please PM me.
     
  2. Marks DTM Calib

    Marks DTM Calib Omega Tank Commander

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    Ow how I would love to be able to lay my hands on some of this kit!

    You can re-code the units with Tech2
     
  3. amaran01

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    to NickA,,,excuse me, is my firts post, also I´m spanish.
    I´m veteran (12 years) user in OMEGA B -BMW 2.5 Diesel Engine,,actually I´m got an 2.5 DTI-Elegance model built in 2003 and equiped (rain sensor,ESP,TRC,XENON,rear curtain) with Phillips CCRT2008-Bose sound and automatic telephon built in, with all infotainmet function (except On Star).I´m follow you and wont to retrofit with NCDC2015 and I have some question.
    1-Can be maintain the Bose Sound and the steering wheel control ?
    2-The NCDC 2015 have the same as, automatic; telephon , SMS,Trafic Advertisement etc,,,or need an aditional Telematic unit ??
    Thanks a lot
    Antonio
     
  4. Marks DTM Calib

    Marks DTM Calib Omega Tank Commander

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    In answer to your questions

    1) Yes, you can maintain the Bose function and the steering wheel controls.

    2) The NCDC 2015 has the same functions as the 2013 with additional support for a remote telematics unit to operate the telephone functions. The telematics unit is seperate and lives in the glove box.

    The display you already have (GID) for the CCRT2008 will support monochrome operation of the navigation functions.

    To get a colour unit requires a new display, and if you find a source then let me know............
     
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    to Marks DTM

    Thanks a lot for your attention,,,,I´m looking for a paired (married) functioning devices , the NCDC 2015 and the KJ serial CID. similar this one´s:
    http://cgi.ebay.es/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4626504619&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3APIC&rd=1
    http://cgi.ebay.es/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4626506744&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3APIC&rd=1
    Unfortunatly,,,when I´m inform to the seller about the obligation to go at the Opeldealer for put the devices in "Delivery Condition" state before dismantle its,,,,,he cancel the auction´s inmediatlely.
    Regards.
     
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    Music player connection to Siemens NCDC 2015?

    Hi Nick,
    You obviously know a lot about the internal workings of the audio/nav kit in the Omega, do you know if the NCDC 2015 (or 2013) can be made to connect to a portable music player? Or if someone makes a kit to do so?
    Thanks
    Phil
     
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    harman/kardon make a unit called the "drive & play" which I have connected to my NCDC2013 via an FM modulator (connects between the radio and aerial cable). Only works with an ipod, though - but it does give you a screen and controller so you can tuck the ipod away out of sight (and charges it too). Costs about £100 on fleabay ...
     
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    Marks TDM - you mentioned you can re-code an NCDR with a Tech 2. Could you please give some advice how.

    My uncle has brought a NCDR from a scappy to replace his faulty one. He has the radio codes and the VIN of the vehcile removed from. But vauxhall have been unable to re-code it. Your help would be appreicated.
     
  10. NickA

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    Can you get the screen as well from the donor car? That would save re-coding the unit.
     

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